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GreenEyedLady(GEL)
May 26, 2009, 7:33 AM
I don't know about anyone else but this shit scares me. I mean who says N. Korea couldn't be the one to start WWIII ? The attack being on us, those of us from The United States of America, land of the free , home of the brave.....

It's my issues with what I feel are the end times, other predictions of mass chaos and destruction, it's a country that's could be preparing and testing nukes to land on our soil. I'm honestly scared. I don't know who else out here worries about whats going on around us, to us - economically , environmentally, astronomically, and whatever onomy that might be in use right now that threatens our very well being, but I'd love to talk to ya. Sometimes I think I need therapy lol Hell I might, who the fuck knows.. It affects the way I feel about life, the direction i'm going. Do I bother even trying to promote to sergeant ? Buy a house ? These are things that use to drive people to strive to get the very most out of your life. Instead I think " lets get past 12-21-2012 first , see if all the hype was for nothing or go balls to wall to get a morgage, paying out the ass, and struggle, NO MATTER WHAT - because I need to live life like there would be no tomorrow. ..


Now that I've ramble on...Back to the issue at hand lol Those N Korens and Iranians are up to something in my opinion. What are we to do ? Start preparing to go into survival mode ? I know of one friend who is. Has everything from powdered milk to sub zero sleeping bags. I know I obsess about this, but I am serious and hope to get some good feed back. Thank You
SEOUL, South Korea – North Korea launched tests Tuesday of two more short-range missiles a day after detonating a nuclear bomb underground, a news report said, pushing the regime's confrontation with world powers further despite the threat of U.N. Security Council action.

Two missiles — one ground-to-air, the other ground-to-ship — with a range of about 80 miles (130 kilometers) were test-fired from an east coast launch pad, South Korea's Yonhap news agency reported, citing an unnamed government official.

South Korean spy chief Won Sei-hoon had informed lawmakers earlier Tuesday that a missile test was likely, according to the office of Park Young-sun, a legislator who attended the closed-door briefing.

Yonhap reported that North Korea was preparing to launch a third missile from a west coast site, again citing an unnamed official.

North Korea appeared to be displaying its might a day after conducting an underground atomic test in the northeast that the U.N. Security Council condemned as a "clear violation" of a 2006 resolution banning the regime from developing its nuclear program.

France called for new sanctions, while the U.S. and Japan pushed for strong action against North Korea for testing a bomb that Russian officials said was comparable in power to those that obliterated Hiroshima and Nagasaki during World War II.

South Korea, meanwhile, announced it would join a maritime web of more than 90 nations that intercept ships suspected of spreading weapons of mass destruction — a move North Korea warned would constitute an act of war.

North Korea had threatened in recent weeks to carry out a nuclear test and fire long-range missiles unless the Security Council apologized for condemning Pyongyang's April 5 launch of a rocket the U.S., Japan and other nations called a test of its long-range missile technology. The North has said it put a satellite into orbit as part of its peaceful space development program.

Monday morning's nuclear test appeared to catch the world by surprise, but Won told lawmakers that Beijing and Washington knew Pyongyang was planning a test some 20-25 minutes before it was carried out, said Choi Kyu-ha, an aide to lawmaker Park.

Won said Pyongyang warned it would test the bomb unless the head of the Security Council offered an immediate apology. Russia said the test went off at 9:54 a.m. local time (0054 GMT) Monday. Won confirmed that two short-range missile tests from an east coast launch pad followed.

Yonhap reported that three missile tests were carried out Monday, and two more Tuesday.

North Korea's neighbors and their allies scrambled to galvanize support for strong, united response to Pyongyang's nuclear belligerence.

President Barack Obama and South Korea's Lee Myung-bak "agreed that the test was a reckless violation of international law that compels action in response," the White House said in a statement after the leaders spoke by telephone. They also vowed to "seek and support a strong United Nations Security Council resolution with concrete measures to curtail North Korea's nuclear and missile activities."

Obama also spoke with Japanese Prime Minister Taro Aso, the White House said, with the leaders agreeing to step up coordination with South Korea, China and Russia.

Obama reiterated the U.S. commitment to defend both South Korean and Japan, U.S. and South Korean officials said.

North Korea responded by accusing the U.S. of hostility, and said Tuesday that its army and people were ready to defeat any American invasion.

"The current U.S. administration is following in the footsteps of the previous Bush administration's reckless policy of militarily stifling North Korea," the North's main Rodong Sinmun newspaper said in commentary carried by the country's official Korean Central News Agency.

In Japan, which suffered the devastation of two atomic bombs in 1945, the lower house of parliament quickly passed an unanimous resolution condemning the test and demanding that North Korea give up its nuclear program, a house spokeswoman said.

"This reckless act, along with the previous missile launch, threatened peace and stability in the region, including Japan," the resolution said.

"North Korea's repeated nuclear tests posed a grave challenge to international nuclear nonproliferation," it said. "Japan, the only nation to suffer atomic attacks, cannot tolerate this." Japan is considering tightening sanctions against North Korea, the statement said.

Russia, which called the test a "serious blow" to the effort to stop the spread of nuclear weapons, suspended a Russia-North Korean intergovernmental trade and economic commission, apparently in response to the nuclear test. The slap on the wrist was a telling indication that Moscow, once a key backer of North Korea, was unhappy with Pyongyang.

Seoul reacted to the nuclear test by joining the U.S.-led Proliferation Security Initiative, joining 94 nations seeking to intercept ships suspected of carrying nuclear, chemical and biological weapons, materials to make them, or missiles to deliver them.

North Korea for years has warned the South against joining the U.S.-led blockade. The Rodong Sinmun last week said South Korea's participation would be "nothing but a gambit to conceal their belligerence and justify a new northward invasion scheme."

Joining the PSI would end in Seoul's "self-destruction" it said.

In Beijing, the defense chiefs of South Korea and China were holding a security meeting Tuesday, South Korean officials said.

South Korean Defense Minister Lee Sang-hee and China's Gen. Liang Guanglie were expected to discuss ways to respond to the nuclear test, Cho Baek-sang, international policy director at the Ministry of National Defense in Seoul, was quoted as saying by Yonhap news agency.

China said Monday it "resolutely opposed" North Korea's test and called on Pyongyang to return to talks on ending its atomic programs.

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Associated Press writers Kwang-tae Kim and Jean H. Lee in Seoul, Shino Yuasa in Tokyo and Mike Eckel in Moscow contributed to this report.

Long Duck Dong
May 26, 2009, 8:31 AM
at the risk of sounding anti american.... its not the countries that possess nuclear abilities that worries me.... its the country that have uses them that worries me......

we all know the effect of nuking the fuck outta a country..... and none of us wanna see it happen again, for any reason.....but its like a dog.... its generally not gonna bite, unless its provoked.....and looking at korea... we have numerous countries lining up to tell them what to do.... yet a lot of the countries have nuclear capabilities themselves...

if I was korea.... I would be really unimpressed and looking to let the world know that I was not gonna be bullied.....

hey we do live in the world of equal rights and equality...don't we....or does that only apply to select groups..?????

I still perfer the equal rights of no bloody nukes at all..... that way I have less worry about some country think that I pissed them off and need a nuke for lunch..... and if the big boys wanna play war games..... they are not screwing up my lil corner of the world........besides.... you all need somewhere to hide and since stuff all people know where NZ is... theres less chance they will find you here :p

tg Shannon
May 26, 2009, 8:37 AM
try ta relax, it is scary shit, but one good thing to keep in mind is we have such an advanced system that anything that heads our way will be blown out of the sky long before it gets here, we have enough worries as is, try not to (excuse the metafore) blow it out of its scope, remember how we were all suppose ta bite the big one when the clock turned over to 12:00am january 1, 2000. jmho

GreenEyedLady(GEL)
May 26, 2009, 8:43 AM
So you think by N Korea showing us they aren't to be bullied is a good idea ? They are trying to prompt the US to invade !! They're saying give it your best shot. The possibility of those guys of continuing to test missiles enough for the UN to act is great and were going to be screwed.

MetaSexual2
May 26, 2009, 9:09 AM
GEL,

I share your concern for the instabilities of global society, but as I mentioned to you before my fears are more to do with general human stupidity than any supernatural causes. As a species we have to get much better at judging risks and how to deal with them. We can't let ourselves be paralysed by fear and irrationality if we want to survive and just need to keep making the world a better place.

The threats posed by Iran or North Korea are not direct ones to the majority of people in the United States, but they may be to her allies (i.e. S.Korea and Israel) Its pretty unlikely that either country could spark off a global conflict though, because the major power players and economies realise that this is deeply against their interests now. Even Russia and China have come down pretty strongly against any further spread of nuclear weapons. The biggest threat would probably be an isolated incident (like 9/11) from Iran or NK selling their technology to terrorist groups. A nuclear incident would be horrible, but it would also galvanise the world against anything like that ever happening again. We are moving toward a power structure in the world now where its stable versus unstable states, and unstable states can't exist forever. So smart foreign policy is about trying to figure out how to stabilise them with a minimum of conflict.

So, my suggestion for you... don't run for the hills just yet and get out there and start doing something to combat human stupidity and generally make the world a better place for us all to live.

MetaSexual2
May 26, 2009, 9:15 AM
GEL - When things are getting crazy I like to read this speech by MLK...

“The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy. A true neighbor will risk his position, his prestige and even his life for the welfare of others. In dangerous valleys and hazardous pathways, he will lift some bruised and beaten brother to a higher and more noble life.

All men are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. He told us that whatever affects one directly, affects all directly. I can never be what I ought to be until you are what you ought to be, and you can never be what you ought to be until I am what I ought to be…This is the interrelated structure of reality.

Everybody can be great. Because everybody can serve. You don’t have to have a college degree to serve. You don’t have to make your subject and your verb agree to serve. You don’t have to know Einstein’s theory of relativity to serve. You don’t have to know the second theory of thermodynamics in physics to serve. You only need a heart full of grace. A soul generated by love.”

TwylaTwobits
May 26, 2009, 9:33 AM
Well I'm an American who lives very close to a major target, Ft. Knox. Now I am concerned but not overly worried. North Korea and Iran have both long been Anti American. The fact that North Korea timed the test to coincide with Memorial Day was not missed and was more a nosethumbing than anything. Right now we don't need to worry as much as you think, Gel. And as for Iran...well I've been one of those that has always said hear the man out, he seemed to be sincere in just trying to improve his country. We have no way of knowing what might happen, but all we can do is live our life until it does.

jamieknyc
May 26, 2009, 9:58 AM
North Korea attacking the United States directly is unlikely. Kim Jong Il is not suicidal. What they do intend to do with it, however, is to threaten South Korea and Japan. North Korea is a country that is literally starving, and whose regime survives only by (1) extorting money from South Korea by the threat of starting a war, and (2) subsidies from China, which keeps North Korea alive because it does not a reunification of Korea, which means U.S. forces on the Yalu River.

North Korea and Iran, both of them, are willing to play chicken with the Western powers beacuse they believe that the Western powers will blink. They also perceive Obama as an inexperienced weakling whom they can push around.

clovermoon
May 26, 2009, 10:13 AM
Iran and N. Korea are both pushing Obama around. Just like Joe Biden said the world views him as weak. The fact that he hasn't addressed this matter and is planing another trip overseas tells me they are right. Oh well whats a 3rd or 4th war zone now, look out for the draft if you are 18-25 War Mongor Charlie Rangel is pushing for it again.

nudeorphic
May 26, 2009, 11:37 AM
Who cares?

The United States has had, since the Cold War, an all or none doctrine: you use a nuke on us or on our allies and we send everything we have at you, basically destroying that country totally.

So if Iran, or North Korea sends just one nuke, their country becomes a green glass parking lot.

This doctrine is still in effect and we will use it. So let them send all their test missiles skyward.

We have enough on one submarine to do the job; if they want to play games with nukes, it will the very last they will ever play.

jamieknyc
May 26, 2009, 11:51 AM
Who cares?

The United States has had, since the Cold War, an all or none doctrine: you use a nuke on us or on our allies and we send everything we have at you, basically destroying that country totally.

So if Iran, or North Korea sends just one nuke, their country becomes a green glass parking lot.

This doctrine is still in effect and we will use it. So let them send all their test missiles skyward.

We have enough on one submarine to do the job; if they want to play games with nukes, it will the very last they will ever play.

They do not *need* to send a nuke. They can use the threat of a nuclear weapon to bully their neighbors, in the belief that the United State will do nothing and that their neighbors will feel that they can't rely on the U.S. to back them up.

rissababynta
May 26, 2009, 12:39 PM
Well I'm an American who lives very close to a major target, Ft. Knox. .

I live right ON a major target...*shivers*

FalconAngel
May 26, 2009, 1:06 PM
"Well I'm an American who lives very close to a major target, Ft. Knox."

I took Basic at Ft. Knox.

But I digress.

The issue with North Korea may be that by putting his country on a "war footing", he thinks that it will be strengthening his economy. That will end up being his undoing, since it didn't work for us, either.

hudson9
May 26, 2009, 4:05 PM
Let's be logical in our analysis. N.Korea didn't do a nuke test because they think Obama is weak. It takes a lot longer than 130 days to get a nuke program to where you can blow something up, so they were going full steam while the "strong" Buch/Cheney duo were calling the shots. Even the most simpleminded of foreign leaders can compare the popularity of the Bush admin. vs. the Obama admin., and know who is more likely to have strong support of the country should they be pushed to the point of taking action.

Small states that acquire nukes do so as "life insurance" against their own final destruction: think Israel vs. the Arab states; Pakistan v. India. As offensive weapons they're useless, nor are they even really a credible offensive "threat," because they invite nuclear retaliation (and annihilation) by the "big" nuke states. However, the threat of using them while your stuck in the bunker with the enemy pounding at the door and you have nothing left to loose, is enough to keep the enemy at arm's length. Again, think Israel v. the Arabs; Pakistan v. India.

The real threat to international security and safety is the proliferation of Nuke material and/or hardware to "non-state actors." In recent history the biggest leak in the non-proliferation damn was Bush/Cheney's great friend Musharaf, in Pakistan.

PolyLoveTriad
May 26, 2009, 4:30 PM
I dont know who said something about equal rights before....

North Koreans have no rights. Thats why they HATE all americans. I wouldnt be suprised if they thought we eat our young. That tyrant they have there only allows them to have information that HE wants them to have about us AND the rest of the world.

jamieknyc
May 26, 2009, 5:25 PM
"Well I'm an American who lives very close to a major target, Ft. Knox."

I took Basic at Ft. Knox.

But I digress.

The issue with North Korea may be that by putting his country on a "war footing", he thinks that it will be strengthening his economy. That will end up being his undoing, since it didn't work for us, either.

North Korea does not have an economy. Its economy consists of using its military to extort subsidies from South Korea and Japan. North Korea almost collapsed in the late 1990s, and survived only because the Chinese kept it alive.

_Joe_
May 26, 2009, 5:26 PM
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