Star Trek the Movie---Full Length Trailer

[12voltman59]

I have been remiss in not posting this sooner---it does look damn good::

http://www.startrekmovie.com/

I like that they have a very young "JAMES TIBERIUS KIRK" driving a vintage 'Vette and that they still have a form of motorcycle in the 23rd Century that Kirk likes to ride!!

I think this will be one Star Trek film of the batch to be a big hit--the first since ST IV: The Voyage Home or ST II: The Wrath of Khan.

[pasco_lol_cpl]

God you have to see the shit storm this is causing on places like TrekBBS. Half of the members are of the mindset that Trek has to be rebooted and this is the way to do it. The other half have taken Rick Berman and Brandon Bragga (AKA the Killer Bs) off the lynching list and replaced them with JJ Abrhams for raping their childhood.

Personally, I've been a major Trek fan since 73. This had to be done to keep the franchise relevant and get new blood. It appears to be working since my 15 year old daughter (AKA the Elle Woods clone from 'Legally Blonde') wants to see this flick and has detested my love of all things Trek. So I figure if they got her attention then it bodes well for the franchise.

As a Trek fan I can live with a lot of what they have done (AKA turning the enterprise into an Apple store). Two things that Im not too comfortable with: The costumes. Come on you reboot the entire franchise to where things are only superficially related to the series and you dont re-do the costumes? Next is the ship. Thats the industrial designer / architecture geek in me speaking. I think they dropped the ball with the ship.

But other than those two nits I want to pick Im remaining open minded and hopeful about the new movie.

[FalconAngel]

It looks like it has promise. Can't wait to see it.

We have friends who are officers in the local area Star fleet organization and I know that they have been chomping at the bit ever since the teaser trailer came out.

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

OOO! Looks like its going to be good stuff!
Cat

[evilpanda]

Hello, I just wanted to let you know that I acted in the movie and it is fucking awesome. JJ is absolutely wonderful and brilliant and he promised us trekkers a good film and I know he will deliver. You may rest assured, this opinion comes from a lifelong Kirk/Spock fan and Chris and Zach work like gangbusters, at least in the scenes I had with them.

:bipride:

PS. John Cho is sexy.

[darkeyes]

<<<<<<<<< is non trekkie... cant wait NOT 2 c l8est movie.. cant wait 2 tell parentals an siblings wot tasteless loons they r for payin out gud money for drivel... cant wait 2 tell em 2 shurrup wen talkin bout it... cant wait 2 tell partner wot gud sense she has for takin up wiv cute angelic untrekkie type.. cant wait 2 NOT buy the DVD.. o yea..an cant wait NOT 2 wotch it on telly...:bigrin:

IVANOVAAAAAAA... WER R YAAAA???? ..FRAN LUFFS YA...... FRAN MISSES YA..... FRAN NEEDS YA.....:(

[_Joe_]

* SHRUGS *

Cant get any worse than Enterprise.

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

Hey Volty..Lets go see this! I'll buy the nachos, you buy the drinks..LMAO
Cat

[darkeyes]

<<<<<<<<< is non trekkie... cant wait NOT 2 c l8est movie.. cant wait 2 tell parentals an siblings wot tasteless loons they r for payin out gud money for drivel... cant wait 2 tell em 2 shurrup wen talkin bout it... cant wait 2 tell partner wot gud sense she has for takin up wiv cute angelic untrekkie type.. cant wait 2 NOT buy the DVD.. o yea..an cant wait NOT 2 wotch it on telly...:bigrin:

IVANOVAAAAAAA... WER R YAAAA???? ..FRAN LUFFS YA...... FRAN MISSES YA..... FRAN NEEDS YA.....:(Jahdzia Dax wos cute in Deep Space 9 tho... sighhhhh;)

[canuckotter]

Yup. Nerdgasm time. :tong:

It's definitely got a lot more action than classic Trek, and I imagine that a lot of the naysayers are probably focusing on that and going "oh look, they're selling out the soul of the franchise" and moaning the loss of the social commentary that was such a core part of the first two series. I think they're being premature. Frankly, if you're making a movie about Young Kirk, it's going to involve a lot of action (and sex -- there'd better be some sex in there!). It's part of Kirk's character, has been since day one. Everything so far looks entirely in keeping with what we know of Kirk (except that he can.... talk... without those... long pauses). And as for social commentary... Well, we haven't seen the movie yet. There's certainly a lot more room for it than you might think, and the trailer makes it look like there's a decent chance it's all hiding in there.

Anyway. I'm excited. I can't wait to see this thing.

[12voltman59]

I just hate to have to wait until May--originally the film was set to open on Christmas Day----thank god the thing is in the can--this movie got delayed due to the writer's strike---now the actors are gonna walk----so God knows how long they will be out----Hollywood had just gotten back to normal in terms of production schedules and all-----

I am looking forward to it--and Cat--it's a date!!

[HighEnergy]

I got the dvds of the original series to show my kids. They really are great morality tales. It's fun to show them what "special effects" used to be! Nothing like what they are used to now. "Gee Mom, how'd you believe that hokey stuff back then?" What struck me most, after not seeing them since I was maybe 10, is how hot Kirk was! Damn he was built under those tight fitting uniforms. :tongue:

I also rented a couple of the Rockford Files to watch one Monday night during a light supper picnic on the living room floor. As I'm telling them what I rented, that it was kinda like the Law and Order when I was a kid, the oldest got a sharp slap upside the head (playfully of course!) right after she asked, "will it be in colour?"

[vittoria]

yeah i saw the trailer.

poopy.

i'm a bonafide purist trek fan with serious issues with the choice of who they have playing spock ( which has been and always shall be "my dOOd"), the way the enterprise looks (oo come the f*** on people, thats WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much ambient blue for my taste... and yes it DOES resemble an Apple(tm) store!!), and the entire JJAbrams, Rick Berman, douchenozzle fiasco. speaking purely as a trek fiend that is.

my parental units taught me how to read via the 45 records that accompanied the comic books in the 70s. i was a fervent watcher of the star trek cartoon. i have seen every trek episode, loved TNG, DS9, poo-pooed Voyager, and wanted to ring the necks of the mongaloid dumbasses that thought it would be a good idea to put "Sam Beckett" at the helm of the show "Enterprise". i cant stand Star Trek -The Motion Picture (puts rational thought to sleep), i despise star trek 5 (the search for God?!?!?!?! come the f*** on!!!), and i detest star trek nemesis (which is by far THE WORST TREK MOVIE that AMC has the nerve to put on television like its a fkkn classic or something!!!)

i have met walter koenig, nichelle nichols, majel barrett, and leonard nimoy.
woohoo, people, WOOHOO.

there's something fishy about all this new trek yada, and even tho this "lies in the preview of the diplomats" ( to quote Spock in The Undiscovered Country), i shall reserve further judgment NEXT FLIPPIN YEAR, since the brainy bastards were going to do the traditional even numbered year thingy with the release of the movie (it was SUPPOSED TO BE RELEASE CHRISTMAS!!) but instead bumped the tripe to next fargin may or something, just another reason to say "bah humbug" this season. bastages!:cool:

peace and long life, aka

live long and prosper,

V

[Nick_C]

I was fine with this until the writers started prattling on about it being an alternate universe.

I'm sure it'll be a fun film, but Trek? Not so sure.

And hey, Enterprise was fine! At least it wasn't a bleedin' reboot. ;)

[12voltman59]

I actually liked Enterprise for the most part--the fourth season was the best--and of the episodes they had--my fave was the two parter that took place towards the end of the show--"Through a Mirror, Darkly" where they set things in the evil alt universe.

I liked how they weaved a Classic Trek storyline into that two parter where The Defiant of Kirk's time was pulled by the Tholians back to the time and setting of the Terran Empire with their first Enteprise.

For this movie though----they could have done things for the movie in terms of the ship sets like they did in those episodes---have the look generally be like that of Classic Trek--but then you get to see things more up close so there are actually "working" computer displays instead of the static ones in Classic Trek---things of that sort.

I had read an interview in the now defunct "Star Log" magazine with one of the set/production designers about that---he put it a the following way---this is a paraphrase of what he said---but what I have here captures the essence of what he said: "We wanted to have the look of the orginal show---but yet be able to use the technology available to us today with the computers that we program to have tactical, engineering displays and things like that--in the Classic show--all you could see were the colored light displays--but in the episodes we had it so you saw that when someone presses a button, up comes with a readout of some sort--our explaination in our own minds was that they always did that---the viewer of the Classic episodes were just never shown that!"

He also went on to say that in their working theory of the Defiant-it was a newer ship than the Classic Trek Enterprise--so there were those scenes that had a more contemporary look to the sets of passageways and an engineering space where some of the scenes took place.

For this new film-----they could have kept more of the classic Trek look by following that model--but then again-maybe it would not have worked---things that look one way on television doesn't translate as well to the large screen---that is why in the first STNG movie they had the Enterprise we knew from Next Gen TV series get destroyed----they said the look of the Nest Gen ship just did not look very good on the big screen--so they blew it up so they could come up with the sleeker version used in the later films.

Let's face it with Star Trek---the writers and such on any given Trek project are free to dump Trek cannon and such if it suits their purposes so they can work the story for each project----it is after all--fiction--- so they can do anything they care to.

It might be that with the new movie---they lose old time Trekers---but pick up an entirely new generation of Trek fans----and that is probably fine with the new regime who have control of the Trek universe.

I am approaching this new movie as---it is its own movie---based on Star Trek---but it is not the Star Trek of yore!

I am looking forward to it and hope that it does have at the core---some connection and resemblence to Gene Roddenberry's vision and spirit---if they do ditch that---then I will be done with any modern Trek project.

[FalconAngel]

It's discussions like this that make me think of the film Galaxy Quest.
:rolleyes::eek:

[evilpanda]

ABOUT THE RELEASE DATE CHANGE:

This was NOT caused by the Writer's Strike. The strike did not affect the shooting schedule at all. My last day got pushed back by a couple months, only because of Karl Urban's availability, but no one said it had to do with the strike. But, our wrap date in April (I can't remember exactly when, sue me) was the same.

During the shoot, word was already going around Paramount about how positive the dailies screenings were with the Powers that Be. While JJ teased us with talk about his "Enterprise being built" trailer, he was already aware that they were considering a move to next summer because his "little Star Trek thing" was looking more and more like a summer blockbuster than a safe holiday distraction.

I assure you, this film is as epic as THE DARK KNIGHT. JJ did not fall behind schedule, production did not get messed up because of the strike, the Star Trek franchise is in safe hands and those of you who care will not be disappointed.

:flag4:

PS. Not a liar, not a studio plant, just a fan who got really lucky one day.

[Nick_C]

Star Trek franchise is in safe hands and those of you who care will not be disappointed.

A reboot simply doesn't interest me. I'm sure it'll be a great movie, and I'm sure it'll entertain the masses. It'll probably even entertain me as a movie. But a reboot is the last thing I want to see, so I'm rather more likely to be disappointed than not.

Which is not to say I bear any malice towards the producers. Like I say, I'm sure they'll do a great job, and I'm sure the cast will be wonderful. It's just not for me.

[darkeyes]

It's discussions like this that make me think of the film Galaxy Quest.
:rolleyes::eek:*Sends Falcie DVD a Hitch Hiker's Guide 2 reely give 'im nitemares..*:eek:

[vittoria]

I assure you, this film is as epic as THE DARK KNIGHT.


Gee I hope it isnt as "epic" as that floppy mess! The only reason why it made money is because people wanted to see why the hell Heath Ledger died from exhaustion and drug OD for playing the Joker... and he SUCKED! IM(and quite a few others)HO, of course.

www.albertastars.com/posts.php?forum=18&topic=2217

www.batman-on-film.com/TDK_opinion_TDK-sucks_rolls-eyes_7-27-08.html

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/af2def86fa/the-dark-knight-sucked-dick-from-dropknowledgetv the best one!!:tong:

[canuckotter]

I'm sticking to my guns: Star Trek is at its best when it doesn't get too bothered about continuity. (Look at Voyager...) TOS didn't care in the slightest, and TNG paid attention only when it was convenient. Rebooting the franchise, quite frankly, doesn't matter, because canon was never a part of what made Star Trek so great.

What makes Star Trek so enduring, so powerful, is the story at the core of every episode and every movie. If the needs of the story violate canon, canon's thrown out the window, every time -- at least until nicely into TNG. The great episodes are all about people, about powerful stories that shine a glaring light on some aspect of human existence, revealing ugly truths or illuminating everyday greatness. We didn't care if the special effects were goofy, or if the actors couldn't say more than five words without a bizarre pause, or if the music was tinny and grating... It never mattered, because in almost every episode, there was that brilliant, heart-wrenching or heart-warming story that formed the living, beating heart of Star Trek.

I haven't seen the movie, and I haven't read the script. But the trailer shows that there's room for a damn powerful story. Maybe it's there, maybe it's not. But when it comes out, I'll judge the movie on the story it tells, not on whether it disrupts canon that didn't matter to Star Trek in the first place.

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

Yeah Yeah..he just wants to sit in the dark with me and eat nacho's and sip cold soda..lol
Hugz Volty :} :tongue:
Cat

[Nick_C]

I'm sticking to my guns: Star Trek is at its best when it doesn't get too bothered about continuity. (Look at Voyager...) TOS didn't care in the slightest, and TNG paid attention only when it was convenient. Rebooting the franchise, quite frankly, doesn't matter, because canon was never a part of what made Star Trek so great.

Completely throwing the entire forty odd years of shows and movies out the door is a little bit different than the occasional bit of continuity violation. YMMV of course.

[canuckotter]

Completely throwing the entire forty odd years of shows and movies out the door is a little bit different than the occasional bit of continuity violation. YMMV of course.

We're not losing anything throwing Enterprise or DS9 out the window, as much as I enjoyed both shows. And we're definitely way ahead throwing Voyager out the window. :bigrin: The movies... OK, I'll grant Khan. But the rest? Fun, yes. But not exactly great. And you may not remember this, but TNG threw a ton of continuity out the window when it started too, both from TOS and from stuff that was developed between TOS and TNG. And besides, neither TNG nor TOS actually paid a whole lot of attention to continuity if it got in the road of the story. There's a reason the term "retconning" came into existence... ;)

Of course, I'm also used to comics, where the occasional franchise reboot is required anyway. Strangely enough, despite a few reboots over the years, Spiderman is still Spiderman, Batman is still Batman, Superman is still Superman, Wolverine is still Wolverine.... and James Tiberius Kirk is still going to be James Tiberius Kirk.

[Nick_C]

It would appear we'll simply have to disagree. Besides, I'm not really terribly interested in debating the merits (or lack thereof) of either stance. I have my preferences, and you have yours. And that's pretty much all there is to it.

[12voltman59]

As much as I have always been a fan of the Star Trek universe-the one thing they fell down on was the nature of interpersonal relationships--specifically the nature of human gender attraction---they did some stories on it-but did in a round about way like the Trill that you had the same dominant parasitic creature inhabiting different bodies---and continuing to love a person in spite of what body they were in--like the time that Beverly Crusher was in love with the male Trill but rejected the love when the male host died and the Trill creature was put in the body of a female----there were some other similar ways they dealt with non-straight gender attraction but they still wimped out by not just having it that in the 23rd and 24th centuries----people are free to love anyone, irrespective of gender.

If the human race makes it to those times---and we have a society that is anyway like that of Star Trek---based on the way attitudes have changed over the years---I do believe that the gender people are attracted to is not going to matter one whit--at least in the non-traditional cultures.


I really had hoped the writers and creators of the shows would have been bolder in that way----they were bold in so many other ways--like the first interracial kiss on television between Kirk and Uhura.

[allbimyself]

I remember that episode vividly, volt. When Crusher rejected the Trill my friends and I were stunned. Then we screamed at the TV. Couldn't believe it.

All the interspecies relationship going on was ok, but no same gender relationships?

[FalconAngel]

*Sends Falcie DVD a Hitch Hiker's Guide 2 reely give 'im nitemares..*:eek:

Dear sweet Darkeyes; I already have the first 3 books as well as the movie. Still trying to get my hands on a copy of the original BBC serial.

[FalconAngel]

As much as I have always been a fan of the Star Trek universe-the one thing they fell down on was the nature of interpersonal relationships--specifically the nature of human gender attraction---they did some stories on it-but did in a round about way like the Trill that you had the same dominant parasitic creature inhabiting different bodies---and continuing to love a person in spite of what body they were in--like the time that Beverly Crusher was in love with the male Trill but rejected the love when the male host died and the Trill creature was put in the body of a female----there were some other similar ways they dealt with non-straight gender attraction but they still wimped out by not just having it that in the 23rd and 24th centuries----people are free to love anyone, irrespective of gender.

If the human race makes it to those times---and we have a society that is anyway like that of Star Trek---based on the way attitudes have changed over the years---I do believe that the gender people are attracted to is not going to matter one whit--at least in the non-traditional cultures.


I really had hoped the writers and creators of the shows would have been bolder in that way----they were bold in so many other ways--like the first interracial kiss on television between Kirk and Uhura.

Well there was the TNG episode where Riker fell for the one Hermaphrodite that he had been working with on whatever project they were doing. That episode raised some eyebrows, to be sure.

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

"Well there was the TNG episode where Riker fell for the one Hermaphrodite that he had been working with on whatever project they were doing. That episode raised some eyebrows, to be sure."

Damn! I didnt see that one, or the one where crusher fell for the Trill...:( Grrrrrrrr! I miss out on all the juicy stuff! lol
Cat

[darkeyes]

Dear sweet Darkeyes; I already have the first 3 books as well as the movie. Still trying to get my hands on a copy of the original BBC serial.tsk tsk Falcie:(..ya didn buy the DVD a the film didya?? God its awful...Trillion wos gorge..:tong: Zooey IS gorge:bigrin:.....but the rest a the film was appallin.:eek:.. best way 2 kno the Book is 2 listen 2 the 'riginal radio series, Falcie..them on CD..an the DVD set a the telly series can b bot on www.bbcshop.co.uk .. :) Fran wos raised wiv the Book...the books r ok..but the radio series...spesh the 1st 2 radio series.. wer brill..

[Nick_C]

"Well there was the TNG episode where Riker fell for the one Hermaphrodite that he had been working with on whatever project they were doing. That episode raised some eyebrows, to be sure."

Damn! I didnt see that one, or the one where crusher fell for the Trill...:( Grrrrrrrr! I miss out on all the juicy stuff! lol
Cat
Ah, if only there had been some juicy Crusher/Trill girl action. ;)

[evilpanda]

The best "queer" episode of Star Trek is DS9's "Rejoined."

Dax, the Trill, meets up with her ex-lover from a previous life. Both have new bodies, which, happen to be of the same gender. Dax finds that she and her ex are still in love, but their society would never allow them to have a relationship together.

Not because they are the same sex, but because there is an old taboo about Trill falling in love with partners from previous lives. It's no more silly than any of the taboos against what WE do in this life.

To drive the metaphor home, Dax and Susanna Thompson had Star Trek's first on screen same sex kiss, much similar to the Uhura-Kirk smooch that Alabama was so sure would destroy the moral fabric of western civilization in 1968.

I love that episode. And I love that Dax is bisexual, albeit by means of a high concept sci-fi conceit. It's a hell of a lot less offensive than the mirror universe episode "The Emperor's New Cloak," in which the "evil" versions of Dax and Kira are sucking face, just to show the audience that, since they were bi, they MUST automatically be perverted and depraved versions of the characters we knew and loved.

[FalconAngel]

tsk tsk Falcie:(..ya didn buy the DVD a the film didya?? God its awful...Trillion wos gorge..:tong: Zooey IS gorge:bigrin:.....but the rest a the film was appallin.:eek:.. best way 2 kno the Book is 2 listen 2 the 'riginal radio series, Falcie..them on CD..an the DVD set a the telly series can b bot on www.bbcshop.co.uk .. :) Fran wos raised wiv the Book...the books r ok..but the radio series...spesh the 1st 2 radio series.. wer brill..

We have the film on dvd, but you are right; got to get the audio from the radio serials as well as the last 2 books.

[Randypan]

A bit of bad news here...Majel Barrett died yesterday.:(

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/2008/12/18/2008-12-18_voice_of_star_trek_majel_barrett_roddenb.html

[canuckotter]

Just a random thought... Anyone who's interested in this movie might want to check the current Choices comic. ;)

[Nick_C]

A bit of bad news here...Majel Barrett died yesterday.:(

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/2008/12/18/2008-12-18_voice_of_star_trek_majel_barrett_roddenb.html
Saw that too. Very, very sad. :(

[Nick_C]

Not the movie, but possibly of interest to some.

Link. (http://www.afterelton.com/TV/2008/12/startrekgay)

[Doggie_Wood]

Want to go see this in Boston or Florida, Marie?

:doggie:

[MarieDelta]

Want to go see this in Boston or Florida, Marie?

:doggie:

Let's see it in Boston honey :bigrin: If thats agreeeable.

[12voltman59]

Here is a link to a site that has the Star Trek trailer they played a few times during Superbowl Sunday:

http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2009/02/star-trek-and-t.html

[evilpanda]

You can see me in that trailer! I'm a little red dot, but it's me! :bigrin:

[Mr. Magick]

Soooo Cooooool! Thx Volt

[Shhhhh 47/F/usa]

Big time trekker here.... but not gonna bore anyone with any of my accomplishments as a bone fide trek fan or what I treasure about Star Trek in all it's encarnations. All I want to say is this.....regardless of whether or not you thought Scott Bakula made a good captain for the enterprise he looks DAMN FINE with out a shirt on!!! I'm talking mouth gapingly breathlessly drooling fine!!! Oh yeah....I loves me some shirtless Captain Archer/Scott Bakula and if I had a magic wand I'd loves me some nekkid Captain Archer/Scott Bakula for hours and hours and days and days and years and years and.......well I think I've made my point. Ahem.....sorry I went off a bit there and sorry this really has nothing to do with the discussion on the new Star Trek movie. I just couldn't stop myself for some reason. Dear gawd, I need a man!!

[FalconAngel]

If every Trek fan in this thread wants to get a cheap thrill, then here's where to go to get your Trek fix until the movie comes out;

http://scifi.dragonfly.com/renegade/StogamST448/index.html

[Nick_C]

If every Trek fan in this thread wants to get a cheap thrill, then here's where to go to get your Trek fix until the movie comes out;

http://scifi.dragonfly.com/renegade/StogamST448/index.html
To be honest, I wasn't terribly impressed by 'Of Gods and Men'. I much prefer Phase II (http://www.startreknewvoyages.com/)

[DareMe]

Man, I can't wait. I have been longing for more trek stuff ever since they canned Enterprise.

[vittoria]

To be honest, I wasn't terribly impressed by 'Of Gods and Men'. I much prefer Phase II (http://www.startreknewvoyages.com/)
I remember back when they started they called themselves "New Voyages"... pretty good shit.. especially that they can get walter koenig and george takei-- even the original guy that played commander decker to be in the show! they do a most excellent job! :)

Trek Lives, bitches!

IDIC, V

[Nick_C]

I remember back when they started they called themselves "New Voyages"... pretty good shit.. especially that they can get walter koenig and george takei-- even the original guy that played commander decker to be in the show! they do a most excellent job! :)

Trek Lives, bitches!

IDIC, V
Yeah they've not been using Phase II all that long. They've definately gone from strength to strength over the last few years.

[FalconAngel]

I watched 3 of the videos and, to be perfectly honest, I was not at all impressed.

The quality of the production, overall, was good, but the stories were severely lacking.

I did like that they actually found a copy of the NBC peacock from the 6-'s to play at the beginning, but they also diverged from the Trek time line pretty radically in the Episode with Walter Koenig.

I would have chosen stronger stories. It just was not up to the standards that I expected from the majority of Star Trek fan films.

[evilpanda]

I watched 3 of the videos and, to be perfectly honest, I was not at all impressed.

The quality of the production, overall, was good, but the stories were severely lacking.

I did like that they actually found a copy of the NBC peacock from the 6-'s to play at the beginning, but they also diverged from the Trek time line pretty radically in the Episode with Walter Koenig.

I would have chosen stronger stories. It just was not up to the standards that I expected from the majority of Star Trek fan films.

I agree. I hate to say it, but I thought they were terrible. I know they are fan films, not professional studio projects, but indies have come a long way. With the software and hardware now totally available at the consumer level, the visual effects could have been way better. The actors are clearly all friends of the director and are blocks of wood.

The writing amounts to blatantly geeky attempts to cram different elements from the show (ie the Doomsday Machine and the Guardian of Forever) into a disjointed mess (The Enterprise flies down from space and through an oversized copy of the Guardian that we never knew about. :eek: ) The dialogue is clunky and poorly delivered, with too many quotes and in-jokes shoehorned in, conspicuously winking at the audience every thirty seconds.

The only thing that these buggers got right was the set. It is a painstakingly recreated duplicate of the original set and, seriously, it's spot on exact. And I'm amazed that they got Walter Koenig and George Takei to reprise their roles for a fan film. That is more a testament to the original actors' spirit of appreciation and willingness to embrace the fans than the filmmakers' ability to wow them with a promise of a good finished product. If anything, it's a waste of a good set and a few good actors.

Then again, my student film in college was a sci-fi epic and is considered by many to be the worst thing to come out of North Carolina since the tobacco industry. I get that these are fan films and they are made out of love and hard work. I hope these films get seen by everyone, on the merit that they even exist at all. My hat is totally off to the filmmakers for what they have accomplished. They are a credit and a blessing to the Star Trek fan community.

Now, will SOMEBODY please give these poor bastards some money and a decent writer so they can start making GOOD stories?

[Nick_C]

I think that's fairly valid criticism of the first couple of outings, but to be fair, the last two have been pretty good stuff, and the writing has vastly improved. Which should come as no surprise when they've got writers from the original series contributing.