Hey guys and gals, give me your opinions of gloryholes

[papuusa]

Hey guys and gals, give me your opinions of gloryholes....Ive never experienced one but have thought about it and the idea of it sounds great. Would you advise for or against them.....Private or book store? What are y'alls thoughts?

[LeeNorCal]

A previous thread had plenty of replies. Check out: http://www.bisexual.com/forum/showthread.php?11908-GloryHoles-Yes-or-No

[Eduardo Cianelli]

got a lady friend who goes with me to the local "ABS" because alot of srt8 and or married dudes will let a woman suck them, but are more reluctant to let another man blow them unless they are used to a male mouth sucking their cock. We both sit on our knees sucking the hard prick at the same time. We like young men because their cocks are the hardest with tasty young man sperm, thick, white and tangy..so tasty..:tongue:

[ohbimale]

I have never done the glory hole thing however I would like to try one sometime as the blow job giver.

[nudistharry]

As a fantasy, I love the thought of experiencing a glory hole (either as the sucker or the suckee). I'f often fantasized about sucking a strange cock pocking thru a hole in a public place. However, in reality I'd refrain, mainly because of the risk of disease.
If all STD's were curable, or had a vaccination to prevent infection, then yes, I'd seek out a location to experience it.

[Eduardo Cianelli]

had a 82year old blow buddy of mine who had suckedoff guys at our local ABS, for "years",(20,plus!).. hundreds of cocks and sperm loads down his gullet and he swore to me that he`d "never" had an STD.. He sucked me off regularly but passed away from kidney cancer just recently, had nothing to do with his BJing at the local ABS..."and" I`m thinking of replacing him there at the book store,.."cum" by sometime, eh? :impleased

[Jobelorocks]

As a fantasy, I love the thought of experiencing a glory hole (either as the sucker or the suckee). I'f often fantasized about sucking a strange cock pocking thru a hole in a public place. However, in reality I'd refrain, mainly because of the risk of disease.
If all STD's were curable, or had a vaccination to prevent infection, then yes, I'd seek out a location to experience it.

What a lot of people don't realize is that if someone performs oral sex on you and they have oral herpes (which many people call cold sores) they can give you genital herpes.

I personally don't even like the idea of glory holes. I really find no appeal in sucking some random penis. So many people have poor hygiene and/or STIs. Not to mention for all I know it can be my grandfather, or one of my areas convicted sex offenders. I prefer to get to know the people I am going to perform sexual acts with and always use protection.

[slipnslide]

....or one of my areas convicted sex offenders.

Yikes! So true.

[Jobelorocks]

Yikes! So true.
Ya, I know of three that live in my apartment complex alone. Two of those are multiple offenders.

[i_shoot_blanks]

Great fantasy, but a perfect place/way to pick up a nasty disease. The mere thought of herpes compels me to avoid ABS's, period!!!!

[jtowerr]

Would not do a glory hole either way - sound very risky

[slipnslide]

Great fantasy, but a perfect place/way to pick up a nasty disease. The mere thought of herpes compels me to avoid ABS's, period!!!!

Someone recently told me that he picked up an STD infection in his throat from a single oral hook-up with a guy.

Needless to say he's stopped doing that. I can't imagine what the glory hole regulars are passing around.

[matutum]

Danger there! Unless u use a condom.Unless its urpartner on the other side...

[darkeyes]

Anita Bryant would be proud of both of you and how her hate speech and bigotry live on and how it's infiltrated the LGBT community and how members of the LGBT community share her bigoted values. Public sex offenders or ped0s are not gay or bisexual at all, and are heterosexual/straight identified, and they are not interested in having sex with other adult men at all let alone having public sex in a t-room or adult bookstore with a glory hole. If you don't want to use a glory hole or have public sex then don't. Nobody is forcing you to do it. I used glory holes in adult bookstores and public t-rooms in the 70s long before AIDS/HIV was known about. I never got any STDs and I got sucked off and sucked a fair amount of men sometimes a few in a day; but that's what bisexual and gay men of my generation did before HIV/AIDS and during the sexual revolution. I also had a male partner who I was monogamous with at the time, who loved to suck me off through a glory hole so I made one at home and we would sometimes use it. I always would look at the other man before we had sex. I stopped having sex at glory holes in the 80s when AIDS came about.
I wonder if anyone else has noticed both the contradictions in this and the incorrect statements... interesting and rather silly post...

[darkeyes]

You were not around then. You clearly don't know who Anita Bryant was and what she wanted to claim about bisexual and gay men by linking us with ped0s and sex offenders like others here even among the LGBT community want to. She and politically Conservative people who supported right-wing politics claimed that bisexual and gay men who liked public sex in cruising areas and even at glory holes are akin to ped0s and sex offenders. Yes I had sex at glory holes in the 70s and very early 80s. I was a sexually active bisexual man. I was not nearly as active as many of my friends and peers are who are no longer alive. The partner who I wrote about who liked to use the home made glory hole was a guy I dated in the fall of 1983. The idea that sex offenders or ped0s are hanging out at glory holes and trolling for public sex with other adult men is laughable. Hasn't anyone here ever seen or been to a glory hole? It's all about sex between adult men.

I wasn't thinking of Anita Bryant at all.. more the contradictions in your statement and the misleading claims u make that I was thinking of...

[Jobelorocks]

Anita Bryant would be proud of both of you and how her hate speech and bigotry live on and how it's infiltrated the LGBT community and how members of the LGBT community share her bigoted values. Public sex offenders or ped0s are not gay or bisexual at all, and are heterosexual/straight identified, and they are not interested in having sex with other adult men at all let alone having public sex in a t-room or adult bookstore with a glory hole. If you don't want to use a glory hole or have public sex then don't. Nobody is forcing you to do it. I used glory holes in adult bookstores and public t-rooms in the 70s long before AIDS/HIV was known about. I never got any STDs and I got sucked off and sucked a fair amount of men sometimes a few in a day; but that's what bisexual and gay men of my generation did before HIV/AIDS and during the sexual revolution. I also had a male partner who I was monogamous with at the time, who loved to suck me off through a glory hole so I made one at home and we would sometimes use it. I always would look at the other man before we had sex. I stopped having sex at glory holes in the 80s when AIDS came about.
Who in the hell said I was saying it was any more prevalent in bi or gay communities? There are sex offenders in EVERY community be it gay, straight, bi, pan, whatever. You twisted our words. Neither am I saying other people shouldn't do it. The op asked peoples opinions on gloryholes and I gave mine. Give your opinion, but don't tell other people they are saying things that they totally aren't saying. I just think it is generally not the best idea to do unprotected sex acts with an anonymous strangers no matter your sexuality or the sexuality of the people you are hooking up with. I know too many people who have picked up sti's do to lack of caution. A couple of people I know have gotten genital herpes from unprotected oral sex. I like to get to know people a little more before I do sexual things with them be it a man or another woman and I use caution. Every sex act is a calculated risk. If you are willing to take the risk, then fine, but don't act like we are bigots because we aren't willing to take the risks.

[darkeyes]

If you are willing to take the risk, then fine, but don't act like we are bigots because we aren't willing to take the risks.
Neither is he Jobe... least not any more...

[Jobelorocks]

Neither is he Jobe... least not any more...
I know he isn't. I read the part about how he stopped in the 80's. He is just making it sound like we were directing these statements at the LGBT community, which we totally aren't. What I don't think he realizes is that there are plenty of people in the straight community who do glory holes. I know they had them at some of the college parties I used to go to.

[Jobelorocks]

People do way more risky and dangerous things than have casual sex with a stranger every day. Driving in a car can be dangerous since you can potentially get into a an accident and kill yourself or someone else, yet thousands of people do it daily and continue to do it. Glory holes are mainly all about oral sex. You can get HIV from giving oral sex but it's very rare and when people get infected with HIV via sex it happens from unprotected anal or vaginal sex. Yes there are other STDs that are easily passed along during oral sex but there's such a thing as having safer sex. I'm not arguing that if you personally do not want to have casual sex that it makes you a bigot. I said that your claims that adult bisexual and gay men who go to glory holes or have consensual sex with other adult strangers are sex offenders or your silly claim that you'd meet a sex offender at a public sex space for bisexual and gay men is not only completely wrong, it's written from the perspective of someone who as I wrote in my previous post has only known a world where HIV/AIDS and lots of other STDs are around and who is living in fear, and yes you are attacking the LGBT community and bisexual and gay men. I never said that because someone's LGBT or a sexually active adult of any sexual orientation including "pansexual" which is just another term for being bisexual, that they must use a glory hole. It's not as though when you come out as LGBT to yourself you're given a list of all the local glory holes. Just because you have sex with people who you supposedly know it does not mean that you won't get an STD or that those people are actually HIV neg and without STDs. If you actually want to use condoms and dental dams all the time and with every single partner for giving and getting oral sex from men and women to have safer oral sex be my guest. I doubt that you do this as I don't know anyone of any sexuality who actually always uses condoms and dental dams when giving a man or woman oral sex or when getting oral sex from a man or woman.
I never said that people who go to glory holes are sex offenders, the thing I was getting at is you don't know. You don't know anything about this person, so for all you know they could be. I never said anything about the LGBT community at all and certainly nothing aimed at gay or bi men. Sometimes I think you just like to put words in others mouths. I don't know where you extrapolated that from. I know of two women, both straight who got genital herpes from guys who they had casual encounters with (one it was her first time ever having sex) who had oral herpes. I know of one guy who got it as well who happened to be gay. I don't always use condoms or dental dams (like I don't use a condom with my husband) I just like to know more about the person then what there genitals look like. lol. My husband and I swing and one of the things we talk about with our perspective partners is sti's, if they have been tested, ect. and we get tested regularly ourselves. I know that I got an sti my first time having sex, and from a boyfriend later on. Luckily both were treatable. I have paid the price for not being careful before and have learned from my prior experiences.

[PeterNZ]

Mmmmmmmm glory holes are hot! I love them and before I met my current partner and was single a few years ago I sucked off many a bloke and got sucked off at them. I never got any STDs just had lots of fun! I have even had men want me to piss in their mouth in one and it was great spunking down his throat and then using him as my urinal! :) I'd go for it if I were you mate, you'll love it!

[Jobelorocks]

I'm not putting words in anyone's mouth then again I'm not the one who claimed that you'd find or could meet sex offenders at a glory hole. :rolleyes: If you and the anti-sex crowd people who post here who live in fear are that worried about HIV/STDs then don't have sex with anyone at all. Also if you're that worried about sex offenders don't go anywhere or even leave your residence since I guarantee you that you've seen sex offenders walking around in public and they're not at public sex spaces with glory holes for bisexual and gay men.

I don't live in fear, I just like to make informed decisions about who I decide to have sex with and there is nothing wrong with that. You are putting lots of words in my mouth. I never said you would find sex offenders at all at glory holes, just that you have no way of knowing if they are that, a family member, or whatever. I also NEVER said anything about glory holes aimed at bi or gay men. I was speaking about glory holes in general. I also like to know about sex offenders in my area and look up the sex offenders in my neighborhood, just so I know what neighbors to be cautious of. As a rape victim, I like to be cautious. You are putting words in my mouth. I am pretty sure the op said nothing about glory holes that are specifically for gay or bi men, and neither did I. I am certainly not anti-sex. I am actually a hyper-sexual person and have sex atleast twice a day. I also have 5 sex partners at the moment 1 is my husband and the other four are two couples we meet up with. Don't rag on me for being more cautious than you are. Being more cautious doesn't make me anti-sex.

[BiDaveDtown]

I've never used a glory hole but friends of mine have. I've read enough about them and seen them in porn and in men's rooms. You're not going to find a relative of yours at one. That only happens in porn movies, fictional stories, and is a myth. Along with the myth that someone at a glory hole is going to mutilate your genitals.

[Jobelorocks]

I've never used a glory hole but friends of mine have. I've read enough about them and seen them in porn and in men's rooms. You're not going to find a relative of yours at one. That only happens in porn movies, fictional stories, and is a myth. Along with the myth that someone at a glory hole is going to mutilate your genitals.
I assume that most glory holes are anonymous. So you really don't know who you are coming in contact with. I do acknowledge that it is unlikely that it will be a relative, but certainly not impossible especially if you live in the same area as your family. I am just trying to make a point is you don't know who these people are or even what they look like. The less you know about your sexual partners the greater the risk. That is how it is. If people want to participate in glory holes, cool, whatever. I just think people need to consider possible risks. If you decide that the risks are minimal enough for you, go for it.

[slipnslide]

I don't live in fear, I just like to make informed decisions about who I decide to have sex with and there is nothing wrong with that. You are putting lots of words in my mouth. I never said you would find sex offenders at all at glory holes, just that you have no way of knowing if they are that, a family member, or whatever. I also NEVER said anything about glory holes aimed at bi or gay men. I was speaking about glory holes in general. I also like to know about sex offenders in my area and look up the sex offenders in my neighborhood, just so I know what neighbors to be cautious of. As a rape victim, I like to be cautious. You are putting words in my mouth. I am pretty sure the op said nothing about glory holes that are specifically for gay or bi men, and neither did I. I am certainly not anti-sex. I am actually a hyper-sexual person and have sex atleast twice a day. I also have 5 sex partners at the moment 1 is my husband and the other four are two couples we meet up with. Don't rag on me for being more cautious than you are. Being more cautious doesn't make me anti-sex.

This just comes down to you arguing pro-responsibility, and him arguing against that.

He's old. Ignore him.

[Jobelorocks]

This just comes down to you arguing pro-responsibility, and him arguing against that.

He's old. Ignore him.
Ya, it seems that he just wants to be contrary. I don't like him putting words in my mouth either. He keeps on saying I am targeting gay and bi men, which I don't even mention. I just think people should make informed decisions about sexual acts whether they be male, female, androgynous, or gender queer , whether they are gay, straight, bi, pan, or whatever. I think everyone should have the right to do what they want sexually as long as everyone is consenting adults. I just think it is wise to use caution.

[tenni]

I wonder if anyone else has noticed both the contradictions in this and the incorrect statements... interesting and rather silly post...

Maybe, I'm tired and missing your point darkeyes? Would you expand on these contradictions and incorrect statements?

As far as paying attention to the name of "Anita Bryant" I must agree with drugstore. Some of you may be too young to know how that was and the hatred connecting G & B men with pedophiles and vile sub human creatures. Some of you are too young to know the repression in society whether gay or straight and the sexual revolution where there was no real fear of STD. Up until HIV there were few STD's that were rampant beyond one or two. They were curable. The advent of the pill made society much more liberal sexually than it had ever had been publicly. Bryant was a nasty "clean" appearing repressive backlash with a strong Fundamentalist Christian facade that her appear "right".

I have no interest in glory holes though. Somehow, it just seems different than the free expression of sex.

[Jobelorocks]

Maybe, I'm tired and missing your point darkeyes? Would you expand on these contradictions and incorrect statements?

As far as paying attention to the name of "Anita Bryant" I must agree with drugstore. Some of you may be too young to know how that was and the hatred connecting G & B men with pedophiles and vile sub human creatures. Some of you are too young to know the repression in society whether gay or straight and the sexual revolution where there was no real fear of STD. Up until HIV there were few STD's that were rampant beyond one or two. They were curable. The advent of the pill made society much more liberal sexually than it had ever had been publicly. Bryant was a nasty "clean" appearing repressive backlash with a strong Fundamentalist Christian facade that her appear "right".

I have no interest in glory holes though. Somehow, it just seems different than the free expression of sex.
I know about Anita Bryant, even though I didn't "experience" her. But saying what I was saying about glory holes was anywhere near what she said and did is in my opinion ridiculous. She was an extremist and a hateful human being. I just think it is wise to use caution when considering sex acts because sexual acts can be very risky, especially when done with strangers and without protection. I also didn't single out gay or bi men like he said I was. I didn't even mention gay or bi men, I don't care what points he is trying to make, but putting words in my mouth and comparing me to Anita Bryant is way out of line, WAY OUT OF LINE.

[tenni]

Jobel
I'm trying to figure out where your logic and my logic conflict with regard to glory holes and the reference to Anita Bryant. I am not interested in glory holes for the same reason that some are attracted. It is the anonymity (and uncertainty of disease of the act). I've never done it nor am I interested. I place it in the same category as bath houses but that is my prejudice since I've never done either.

However, I completely do not agree with connecting such behaviour with sex offenders? I do see a connection between same sex sexual act and sex offenders accusations (the odd woman may participate but primarily this is a guy thing imo) I do see the connection, all be it an old reference, to Bryant proclaiming that gays (never heard a reference to bi) are sin full (against God), evil deviant sex offenders etc. I think that she was stating or inferring pedophiles. What type of sex offenders in your apartment use glory holes? How do you know this if you do not use glory holes? Was it in your paper and you believe the paper? or ? Glory holes as illegal acts have never been connected to sex offenders in my country to my memory? I guess that it might fall under leud public behaviour if it is illegal?

[slipnslide]

I don't care what points he is trying to make, but putting words in my mouth and comparing me to Anita Bryant is way out of line, WAY OUT OF LINE.

Why even read their nonsense? Do what I do now. Check out their profile, if they're over 50, click Add to Ignore List.

[darkeyes]

Anita Bryant would be proud of both of you and how her hate speech and bigotry live on and how it's infiltrated the LGBT community and how members of the LGBT community share her bigoted values. Public sex offenders or ped0s are not gay or bisexual at all, and are heterosexual/straight identified, and they are not interested in having sex with other adult men at all let alone having public sex in a t-room or adult bookstore with a glory hole. If you don't want to use a glory hole or have public sex then don't. Nobody is forcing you to do it. I used glory holes in adult bookstores and public t-rooms in the 70s long before AIDS/HIV was known about. I never got any STDs and I got sucked off and sucked a fair amount of men sometimes a few in a day; but that's what bisexual and gay men of my generation did before HIV/AIDS and during the sexual revolution. I also had a male partner who I was monogamous with at the time, who loved to suck me off through a glory hole so I made one at home and we would sometimes use it. I always would look at the other man before we had sex. I stopped having sex at glory holes in the 80s when AIDS came about.
Jobe picked up on it, tenni... we know that there are men (and women for that matter) who are gay and bisexual who are paedophilic... we also know that many paedophiles do have sexual relations with adults.. that may or may not be their primary sexual interest but that they do is a fact of life.. neither can we say for certain that straight men have never frequented t-rooms (whatever they are) or bookstores with glory holes but I will grant that this would be relatively rare.... we do a disservice to gay and bisexual people if we land all the responsibility of paedophilia squarely and soley on the shoulders of the heterosexual male community...it is a denial of a reality just as bad as any who deny bisexuality exists...

..and to berate Jobe and Slip for not wishing to do something he will not do when their reasoning is not so far different from his own does seem to me to be an inconsistency bordering on hypocrisy..

Because we disagree does not mean people are biphobic or anti gay or anything else.. people think about things differently and have their own opinions.. because they do not agree with us does not of itself make them biphobic, homophobic or anything else... something u would do well to remember at times..

[tenni]

darkeyes
Ok. I see your point now more or less. It was the denial that some gay/bisexuals may be pedophiles that you picked up on. I'm not sure if I'm having a time warp confusion or not about the connection to Bryant and whether gays were generally perceived back then as pedophiles or whether the general public still perceives pedophiles as gay rather than all sexualities. Those pedophiles who molest girls are probably seen as hetero but those who molest boys are seen as gay?(probably ignoring bisexuals but ?) I'm still inclined to think that the bias would be to place pedophiles with homosexuality but I may be wrong. That still doesn't answer my question to jobel about stating that glory holes are full of (or have ) sex offenders and what type of sex offenders in her apartment also go to glory holes?

[Jobelorocks]

Tenni, as I have said many many times, I am not saying that people at glory holes are any more likely to be sex offenders then anyone else. What I am saying is yes it is anonymous, so you don't know who these people are. Anyone you can potentially meet up with or have a relationship can be a sex offender, I know from experience (I was raped by a boyfriend) and the less you know about someone the more risk you take. That is why I like to get to know people a little more before committing sex acts with them. The more you know the less likely you will get involved in some unsavory folk. All I was saying was you don't have any idea what kind of people they are, they could be your grandpa, a sex offender, someone with an sti, or they can be a normal person, your neighbor, your boss, your coworker, your best friend, whoever. I was saying you don't know not that they are more likely to be deviants, which I have explained numerous times, but people seem to ignore over and over again. Henceforth why sometimes I hate this forum.

[tenni]

Jobel
I get your point about most that you write. It is anonymous sex yes. It doesn't matter whether they are your grandpa. It does matter if you can get an STI I agree. It is a risk that some people are willing to take for the thrill of anonymous sex.

I guess that I just don't connect anyone in such a place as a sex offender let alone a pedophile? I connect glory holes to people who want a sexual rush by anonymous sex. I guess that it is more similar to dogging, peep shows(do they still exist?..lol) and dangerous thrills.

[Jobelorocks]

Tenni-I never said anything about pedophiles. I don't know why people keep on acting like I did. I am not connecting glory holes with any group, just saying is you don't know who it is and they could be a kind of person you would want nothing to do with. I don't like people putting words in my mouth and people have said that I said it is more likely that people at glory holes are more likely to be sex offenders, that I am somehow targeting gay or bi men, or that I said that they are pedophiles. None of which I ever said.

[Jobelorocks]

What a lot of people don't realize is that if someone performs oral sex on you and they have oral herpes (which many people call cold sores) they can give you genital herpes.

I personally don't even like the idea of glory holes. I really find no appeal in sucking some random penis. So many people have poor hygiene and/or STIs. Not to mention for all I know it can be my grandfather, or one of my areas convicted sex offenders. I prefer to get to know the people I am going to perform sexual acts with and always use protection.
This is what I said, and I certainly didn't mention pedophiles or say that they are more likely to be sex offenders or your grandpa, just for all you know they could be (because it is anonymous). All I said is that I like to get to know people before I do sexual things with them and I like to be safe and cautious.

[tenni]

"Not to mention for all I know it can be my grandfather, or one of my areas convicted sex offenders."

No, you didn't mention pedophiles. You have since mentioned rapists as a sex offender. Is that the only type of sex offenders that you think may use glory holes?
Pedophiles are considered sex offenders and so you are not referring to them then?

Again, what sex offenders do you think use glory holes?

[darkeyes]

"Not to mention for all I know it can be my grandfather, or one of my areas convicted sex offenders."

No, you didn't mention pedophiles. You have since mentioned rapists as a sex offender. Is that the only type of sex offenders that you think may use glory holes?
Pedophiles are considered sex offenders and so you are not referring to them then?

Again, what sex offenders do you think use glory holes?Daft and irrelevant question tenni... some are bound to have used them just as people from the strangest and also most straight and conservative backgrounds have.. who they were and are is unimportant.. that some have is certain.. and if we accept that paedophiles also have other more acceptable sexual relationships and participate in other sexual, often seedy, acts with adults, why not them also?

[Bayoubear9]

Daft and irrelevant question tenni... some are bound to have used them just as people from the strangest and also most straight and conservative backgrounds have.. who they were and are is unimportant.. that some have is certain.. and if we accept that paedophiles also have other more acceptable sexual relationships and participate in other sexual, often seedy, acts with adults, why not them also?

Amen!

[Jobelorocks]

"Not to mention for all I know it can be my grandfather, or one of my areas convicted sex offenders."

No, you didn't mention pedophiles. You have since mentioned rapists as a sex offender. Is that the only type of sex offenders that you think may use glory holes?
Pedophiles are considered sex offenders and so you are not referring to them then?

Again, what sex offenders do you think use glory holes?
Have you not read what I have said at all?!?! I have said over and over and over and over again that people who use glory holes are NO MORE likely to be sex offenders then anyone else, just that you don't know who these people are. I am about to be done with this forum. I am tired of words being put in my mouth and people conveniently ignoring half of what I say. I am not going into this any further if you won't bother reading what I am saying. And by the way when I mentioned a rapist I was talking about an ex-boyfriend who raped me, not a glory hole patron.

[Jobelorocks]

Daft and irrelevant question tenni... some are bound to have used them just as people from the strangest and also most straight and conservative backgrounds have.. who they were and are is unimportant.. that some have is certain.. and if we accept that paedophiles also have other more acceptable sexual relationships and participate in other sexual, often seedy, acts with adults, why not them also?
Thank you Darkeyes.

[Jobelorocks]

I am now going to block/ignore drugstore and tenni, I am done with dealing with you two.

[darkeyes]

I am now going to block/ignore drugstore and tenni, I am done with dealing with you two.
Jobe, u have that right... it isn't something I ever do because peeps have the right to act and speak as arseholes, or even like tenni, just be an awkward sod and a bit argumentative but I have developed a warped fondness for the daft bugger even if he can be at times a bit one dimensional... they get bees in the bonnet and like a good terrier wont let go..and why should they? I much prefer to keep me eye on what they have to say because sometimes we find they have little gems of foresight and they aren't always wrong.. even the most paranoid and offensive can prove interesting and useful if u wait long enough. Always keep ur eye on the opposition cos u never know when u will need to know what they are up to and how they are thinking.. and besides.. sometimes we all need a bloody good belly laugh;).

[Jobelorocks]

Jobe, u have that right... it isn't something I ever do because peeps have the right to act and speak as arseholes, or even like tenni, just be an awkward sod and a bit argumentative but I have developed a warped fondness for the daft bugger even if he can be at times a bit one dimensional... they get bees in the bonnet and like a good terrier wont let go..and why should they? I much prefer to keep me eye on what they have to say because sometimes we find they have little gems of foresight and they aren't always wrong.. even the most paranoid and offensive can prove interesting and useful if u wait long enough. Always keep ur eye on the opposition cos u never know when u will need to know what they are up to and how they are thinking.. and besides.. sometimes we all need a bloody good belly laugh;).
I agree he has the right to say what he wants and to be an arsehole, I just don't have to deal with him. lol. There are plenty of bitches, douches, and assholes I have to deal with in real life and I certainly don't have to deal with them on here.There is a big difference between having differing opinions then twisting others words and putting words in their mouths. You can disagree with me all day long, but I don't mind as long as you are civil.

[chub-bi]

What could be worse then getting Herpes from your Grandpa?

[darkeyes]

I agree he has the right to say what he wants and to be an arsehole, I just don't have to deal with him. lol. There are plenty of bitches, douches, and assholes I have to deal with in real life and I certainly don't have to deal with them on here.There is a big difference between having differing opinions then twisting others words and putting words in their mouths. You can disagree with me all day long, but I don't mind as long as you are civil.
U silly daft cow!!!:yikes2: *giggles*:tongue:... muah...

[_Joe_]

This thread isn't complete until someone links the Onion article : http://www.theonion.com/articles/i-think-ill-drive-the-kids-up-to-the-state-park-to,10987/

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

I'm sure its all fine and dandy for those who like it, but for me personally, its kinda nasty, Guys and Gals. I'm too much of a "Clean Freak" for that. I've Been to them and seen some of them, and it just creeped me out and made me nasuous. (sp) Even tho I'm a swinger, I Am picky bitch...LOL
But to each his own kink....
Picky Cat

[slipnslide]

I agree he has the right to say what he wants and to be an arsehole, I just don't have to deal with him. lol. There are plenty of bitches, douches, and assholes I have to deal with in real life and I certainly don't have to deal with them on here.There is a big difference between having differing opinions then twisting others words and putting words in their mouths. You can disagree with me all day long, but I don't mind as long as you are civil.

Agreed. I thrive on discussions where people have differing opinions. But when their opinion reads more like trying to justify their own bad behaviour for reasons of cognitive dissonance, or you're just twisting someone else's words because you don't have valid argument against them, then I'm out.

That's why these forums have a block feature right? :)

[tenni]

Jobel
I realize that you won't be able to read this but...
I'm sorry if my question offended you. I do see now where you did reply with "no more" than. I don't have time to re read this thread but I will later. My point is that in your mind you may have connected glory holes with sex offenders or you would not have chosen those two words. You might have just as well thrown out "fags" or any other less than positive statements to those who select to use glory holes. Not a lot of people have admitted that they enjoy the thrill of these glory holes.

darkeyes
"arsehole"? Is that up there with "awkward sod" that you saw as acceptable name calling? Sometime your little halo tilts. ;) Oh well. You are after all only "mortal" whether lesser or greater is a matter of opinion.:tongue:

"argumentative"? Well that may apply to more than myself...I think that you may be seen on that ship more than casually..debate argumentative...different but similar.

[darkeyes]

Jobel
I realize that you won't be able to read this but...
I'm sorry if my question offended you. I do see now where you did reply with "no more" than. I don't have time to re read this thread but I will later. My point is that in your mind you may have connected glory holes with sex offenders or you would not have chosen those two words. You might have just as well thrown out "fags" or any other less than positive statements to those who select to use glory holes. Not a lot of people have admitted that they enjoy the thrill of these glory holes.

darkeyes
"arsehole"? Is that up there with "awkward sod" that you saw as acceptable name calling? Sometime your little halo tilts. ;) Oh well. You are after all only "mortal" whether lesser or greater is a matter of opinion.:tongue:

"argumentative"? Well that may apply to more than myself...I think that you may be seen on that ship more than casually..debate argumentative...different but similar.
No tenni.. u know what an arsehole is.. in whatever context... but I don't actually consider u among the arseholes of the world although at times like most of us u can act like one;).. awkward sod is perfectly adequate for u!!! Mortal??? Lesser or greater is indeed a matter of opinion but fyi I am neither....I am an angel!!!!:tongue:

[Gearbox]

What a lot of people don't realize is that if someone performs oral sex on you and they have oral herpes (which many people call cold sores) they can give you genital herpes.

I personally don't even like the idea of glory holes. I really find no appeal in sucking some random penis. So many people have poor hygiene and/or STIs. Not to mention for all I know it can be my grandfather, or one of my areas convicted sex offenders. I prefer to get to know the people I am going to perform sexual acts with and always use protection.
Jobelorocks, can you honestly not see how that came across as scaremongering and kinda vindictive to glory hole users?lol
You gave warnings about the worst possible scenarios, which are possible and are your genuine concerns about your own thoughts on glory holes.
But if there are 100 members here who use glory holes, how many of them read that post and wonder if you are insinuating that they are STI carriers who know nothing about STI's, and may well have sucked off their sex offending grandfather by now.?:tongue:
Slipnslides responses made you sound like a vigilante out to rid the world of random sex, with one negative view of glory holes after another.lol

No I know that wasn't your intention! Nor were you insinuating ANYTHING about ANYBODY! But you must see how easy it is to mistake your associations to glory holes for judgements on the users and not just your own reasoning on the risks involved?
I'm not into them either.lol Have a nice cup of tea.

["Blow Job"]

For what it's worth, I was introduced to the Glory Hole scene in the NYC area back in 1964 by a former fiance. I had been giving BJs about six years at that point. Looking back, I consider it a great learning experience and we enjoyed the time we spent there. However, knowing now what I didn't know then about social deseases, I don't think I would work in such a place again. Yes, I'm what you call "old", but I'm healthy and I still give BJs regularly. Proper hygene is the key.

[Jobelorocks]

Jobelorocks, can you honestly not see how that came across as scaremongering and kinda vindictive to glory hole users?lol
You gave warnings about the worst possible scenarios, which are possible and are your genuine concerns about your own thoughts on glory holes.
But if there are 100 members here who use glory holes, how many of them read that post and wonder if you are insinuating that they are STI carriers who know nothing about STI's, and may well have sucked off their sex offending grandfather by now.?:tongue:
Slipnslides responses made you sound like a vigilante out to rid the world of random sex, with one negative view of glory holes after another.lol

No I know that wasn't your intention! Nor were you insinuating ANYTHING about ANYBODY! But you must see how easy it is to mistake your associations to glory holes for judgements on the users and not just your own reasoning on the risks involved?
I'm not into them either.lol Have a nice cup of tea.
I was using extreme examples to make a point. Will you encounter a sex offender or your grandpa at a glory hole? probably not. I was making a point that you just don't know. I could have even said for all I know it could be the Pope. I just can't believe anyone has never heard that, "for all I know," exaggeration statement before. It isn't scaremongering, I am just encouraging people to know the risks they are taking. One of the biggest risks with someone performing oral sex is getting genital herpes from their oral herpes. I like to "screen" my sexual partners before I do naughty things with them. The less you know about your sex partners the greater the risk.

I really didn't see how someone could twist what I said into how people put it, but then again, some people on this site are as bad with twisting words and inserting words in your mouth as they were on the Traditionalist Catholic forum I used to participate in. lol.

[Gearbox]

Jobelorocks, I have issues with pegging and receiving. They are not judgements or in anyway derogatory views on it , it's that I just don't get it. I want to! But I don't!:oh: When I try to put those queries into text, I somehow come across as a Nazi fascist out to destroy all that's not me.LOL!
When reading your post, I get the image of you going hysterical and having a panic attack about glory holes, like some crazy woman on Fox News.LOL! Which is funny (must admit)!:tongue: But others might see you with your jackboots and SS uniform on, waving your little cane, as I expect I was seen too. OH the joy of text!lol

I'm no expert on glory holes, but I'm pretty sure that the anonymous lone cock angle of it, is a huge part of the thrill. So neither of us would get that, I expect! Your too cautious, and I'm too greedy for that.:rolleyes: It's like telling bungee jumpers they are mad for putting the fear of Christ into themselves. But that's what they like about it.

[elian]

Yes, I was to a poor example of an ABS one time, and one time was all it took for me to be cured of wanting to go back there..not because the people were 'sholes but because of the cigarette smoke, the cleanliness of the establishment, the risk of getting raided and the risk involved in screwing around with anonymous partners. I can imagine (and my one friend who came out in the 70's tells me) that sex "before AIDS" was great - you could really feel free about it. After AIDS attitudes about sex changed.

So what do you do? I suspect that there may be one or more private parties where people actually know each other, I could probably go for that sort of thing, but not completely anonymous.

[luvtocum]

I think they are mostly disease zones, i think they are unsafe. I prefer to know the cock i'm sucking.